I have found a way to get a return signal back from these craft on a regular basis. i recently purchased a night vision unit that uses infa red which i have taken to leaving in my back garden during the evening for a couple of hours. it has video ability so i am building a record of sighting and their movement.As stated i have found a method of getting a return signal from them proving they are not satellites or planes. lanes are out of the question because of the hight of these things. i have been involved with this for many years and have had some real results. i do have a very good two very good telescopes that i intend to set up in the same way as the infa red camera. i am interested in becoming a working member of this organization.