Stepped outside for a cig and saw what I though was Venus setting just above the trees to the west. It was very red at first, wich i dismissed as refraction due to it inclination. As I watched it the light darted left then right just a few degrees of travel then floated up slowly then floated down. I ran inside to get wife and son and nocs. We watched the light slowly move away from us towards the west untill it dropped below the tree line across the lake behind our house. The tree tops across the lake are about 3 degrees above the true horizon. When I first saw the light it was about 15 degrees above the west horizon.My eyes being what they are the light was starlike and seemed to dance from red to orage then back to red again bright then dim, but thruogh the nocs it looked orb like.Intense burning like a welders arch but red/amber/orange in color.